Can You Put a 6 Lug Hub on a 5 Lug Axle

ukaviator

OK guys, I take a LV-416 explorer trailer (fabricated by Sierra 4x4 trailers - not the current Sierra 4x4 trailer company, but the 1 that went out of business organization years agone).

I want to supervene upon the current 5 lug wheels with a couple of vi lug 80 series landcruiser wheels.
Every trailer identify I called in the Nashville area tell me that if I just swap out the 5 lug hubs for vi lug hubs, I wont exist able to become a set of bearings that will fit.

Ive seen how guys on here accept put six lug wheels on one-time M416 trailers and the like, so why does this seem like such a pain in the ass?

Do I have to get a new axle, should I just apply a five to six lug adapter, or can I just modify out the hubs?

Thanks

edit: Trailer too has trailer brakes - non certain if that matters or not

ukaviator

Thanks for those links. That is exactly what I was planning on doing, until these 'experts' said I would take trouble getting bearings for it.
Im going to call those guys at R and P Carriages tomorrow.

Blueegg

Ukaviator, delight continue us posted on what you detect.
Thinking about this ane myself.

ukaviator

OK this is what I discovered for those wishing to practice the aforementioned. Noticed there is no sticky for this, so hopefully this will help

There are a few ways to get your half dozen lug wheels to fit on a 5 lug hub:

i) Purchase an unabridged new beam assembly. ($$$'s, only the prissy thing is, you merely bolt information technology on)
ii) Buy a v lug to half dozen lug adapter
iii) Send off your existing hubs and have the former studs punched out and new studs put in
iv) Change out your 5 lug hubs for half dozen lug hubs

I decided to go with option 4. Chosen the guys over at Redneck Trailer Supply.
They asked me to read off the numbers printed on the inner and outer bearings.
I was told that if the outer bearing number matched the inner bearing number, a 6 lug hub would non work and I would have to do a unlike road, but seeing equally they were different, a half dozen lug hub would be fine.

They were $84 a piece, considering I have trailer brakes. If I didnt have trailer brakes they would accept run about $44 each plus shipping.

I volition mail some earlier and after pics one time they go far

Ebag333

I'm confused.

1) Purchase an entire new axle assembly. ($$$'s, simply the nice thing is, you lot just commodities information technology on)

Y'all didn't desire this option because it was as well expensive...

I decided to go with choice 4. Called the guys over at Redneck Trailer Supply.
They asked me to read off the numbers printed on the inner and outer bearings.
I was told that if the outer begetting number matched the inner bearing number, a 6 lug hub would not piece of work and I would have to do a different road, but seeing as they were different, a 6 lug hub would be fine.
They were $84 a piece, because I accept trailer brakes. If I didnt have trailer brakes they would have run near $44 each plus shipping.

And so you went with an option that was merely as expensive? Looks like you can get a whole trailer axle for $100 - $250 (depending on features) plus shipping.

Experience gratuitous to point out if I'm missing something here.

Mace

I'thousand confused.
You didn't want this option because information technology was too expensive...

And then you went with an selection that was only as expensive? Looks like you can get a whole trailer beam for $100 - $250 (depending on features) plus aircraft.

Feel gratis to signal out if I'm missing something here.

3500 lb trailer beam with brakes and bound kit

Where can y'all get a full trailer axle with brakes for $160?
Then y'all add shipping to a complete beam and the price goes up.

Ebag333

Quick Google search turns up:
3500 lb trailer axle for any trailer whatsoever size

No brakes, but I'd imagine you could find a trailer axle fix for brakes but without springs, hangers, etc (since you should already take all that, yes?) for a like cost.

They say they volition build it to your spec, so I'd imagine a quick telephone phone call and you could get exactly what you demand.

Mace

No brakes, only I'd imagine yous could find a trailer axle ready for brakes but without springs, hangers, etc (since you should already have all that, yes?) for a similar toll.

Please exercise.

Plus shipping for an unabridged axle is considerably more just the hubs.

Ebag333

I think I e-mailed this place and they said they'd do a 6 bolt pattern for me no problem. Axles were as well all ready for brakes.

Axle sold with five lug hubs with bearings, grease caps, seals, lug nuts and u-bolt kit cost $115.99

Trailer Axles - Trailer Axle Kits

Plus shipping for an entire axle is considerably more than just the hubs.

This is true, though the less expensive axle probable makes upwardly the difference.

It'south probably pretty close to pause even, and then it's certainly not a bad route that the OP went. Only pointing out that it'southward non like buying just the hubs saves a ton of cash.....

Mace

I think I east-mailed this place and they said they'd do a 6 bolt pattern for me no trouble. Axles were also all ready for brakes.
Trailer Axles - Trailer Axle Kits

This is true, though the less expensive axle likely makes up the difference.

It's probably pretty close to break fifty-fifty, so it's certainly not a bad route that the OP went. Just pointing out that it's not like buying just the hubs saves a ton of greenbacks.....

If you look into it, you'll see that buying an unabridged new beam would at to the lowest degree double what he spent on the hubs.

:meh:

Ebag333

If you look into it, you'll see that buying an entire new axle would at least double what he spent on the hubs.

Well, I'll likely be going downwardly this road myself in the not to distant hereafter. I would similar to supercede the entire axle under my trailer as it's non in dandy shape. So that's why I'yard curious near this, so far doesn't seem cost constructive to R&R the beam as I'd be replacing a lot (not simply hubs).

So, tell me, what defines "entire new axle" to yous? Do you believe you need new leafs, for example? Should you lot supercede the leafs when you replace the beam? Practice yous more often than not have to supercede brakes, or are they interchangeable?

What I linked to previously on the site seems to me to be all that he'd need, bold he doesn't need new leafs or brakes. Can't imagine it'd be more than to send than my 4x4 Labs bumper, as that was most twice the weight of a trailer axle. But even if information technology was, information technology wouldn't be double the cost of the hubs. (At a estimate, ~$200 for new beam shipped vs $160 + shipping for hubs.)

Seems pretty probable he can source an axle locally anyway, will likely pay more than than internet price but save the shipping cost. :meh:

ukaviator

Well if there was a local identify like RTS I could but go choice a whole new axle assembly upwardly, perhaps I would take gone that road. My bearings, axle, brakes are all in really skillful shape so decided to keep everything and relieve myself some $$$'due south on the shipping as Mace pointed out.

Besides I could have shopped around and got a amend deal that $84 per pair, but the guys over at RTS were very helpful and I experience they deserved the auction.

Mace

What I linked to previously on the site seems to me to be all that he'd need, assuming he doesn't need new leafs or brakes. Tin't imagine information technology'd exist more to ship than my 4x4 Labs bumper, every bit that was virtually twice the weight of a trailer axle. But even if information technology was, it wouldn't be double the price of the hubs. (At a guess, ~$200 for new axle shipped vs $160 + shipping for hubs.)

So practise the research and let u.s.a. know what you lot figure out.

As it stands, you are purely speculating on what the costs are.

jasheehan

I redid a M416 and went through the same affair with my hubs. I opted for a new axle from ABC trailer supply. IIRC, I paid about $170.00 with shipping. It took literally minutes to replace the M416 axle with the new 1. Just make sure you mensurate the distances correctly so that the spring perch'south line up correctly.

Mace

I redid a M416 and went through the aforementioned thing with my hubs. I opted for a new axle from ABC trailer supply. IIRC, I paid about $170.00 with aircraft. It took literally minutes to supervene upon the M416 axle with the new one. Just make sure y'all mensurate the distances correctly and then that the leap perch's line upward correctly.

with or without brakes?
That would be amazingly inexpensive with brakes..

jasheehan

no brakes. Brakes are a picayune more. I opted no for brakes as the trailer is only 500lbs....loaded mayhap another 500lbs. It's nice having the parking brake, but I just did without it.

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